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Drew Hause
05-20-2013, 06:04 PM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1914-PETERS-CARTRIDGE-RPPC-POSTCARD-TRAP-SHOOT-SHOTGUN-SHELL-HUNTING-PHOTOGRAPH/370815202855?_trksid=p2045573.m2042&_trkparms=aid%3D111000%26algo%3DREC.CURRENT%26ao%3 D1%26asc%3D27%26meid%3D7800052205266581438%26pid%3 D100033%26prg%3D1011%26rk%3D1%26sd%3D370815202855% 26

http://pic20.picturetrail.com:80/VOL1373/6511424/19974446/406686109.jpg

c. 1896

http://pic20.picturetrail.com:80/VOL1373/6511424/21690841/359853857.jpg

Drew Hause
05-20-2013, 06:18 PM
Capt. A.W. Money and his family arrived in the U.S. in 1890. He and his wife, Emily, had four daughters and two sons, Noel Ernest Money and Harold Bloomfield Money. Capt. Albert set up and operated The American ‘E.C.’ and Schultze Powder Company, with works in Oakland, Bergen County, New Jersey, and offices at 318 Broadway in New York City. On 7 October 1891, Lieutenant Noel E. Money (Princess Victoria’s Royal Irish Fusiliers), resigned his Commission and subsequently joined his Father’s business in the U.S.

Capt. Money was 2nd in the 1894 GAH and used his Greener in the 1897, 1898 & 1899 GAHs; a Parker in 1900 & 1901. He purchased a CH Parker SN 87238 in 1897 which he returned for his discount purchase price of $75 in Dec. 1898. He also used a L.C. Smith in 1897 and purchased a Smith A2 in 1901. He later had two Parker pigeon guns stolen:

http://www.la84foundation.org/SportsLibrary/SportingLife/1901/VOL_37_NO_23/SL3723022.pdf
Reward offered for Parker #1 stolen July 20, 1901; SN 90,635, 8#, 30” barrels

#2
http://www.la84foundation.org/SportsLibrary/SportingLife/1902/VOL_38_NO_24/SL3824014.pdf
"Captain Money, of the "E. C." and "Schultze" Powder Company, New York, is mourning the loss of his Parker pigeon gun, which was stolen February 15 (1902) at Paterson, N. J. The gun was taken from the case and shells substituted, giving it the required weight, so he did not discover his loss until some hours later. This is the second Parker gun Captain Money has lost in this manner."

It could be Harold, but he was a WRACo Rep and shot a Winchester repeater

Mills Morrison
05-21-2013, 01:24 PM
The two sure look similar to me.

Dean Romig
05-21-2013, 01:58 PM
The earlobes look different to me.

Rick Losey
05-21-2013, 02:36 PM
I thought so too Dean -but i am looking at them on the phone.

With that said, i also think the nose looks to have a sharper angle at the tip and not as long on the top photo

I was wondering if they could be printed the size so that they could be overlaid.

Drew Hause
06-04-2013, 05:15 PM
Capt. Money on “Manly Sport of Pigeon Shooting”
The Illustrated American March 24, 1894
http://books.google.com/books?id=tHVNAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA309&dq

A VERY pretty sport is pigeon shooting, and its popularity in this country is increasing every- day. In the neighborhood of New York alone there are close upon a dozen clubs where, during the season, there is at least one shooting a week. Such are the Carteret, the Westminster, the Country, the Hollywood, and Tuxedo clubs. There are persons who look upon it as a cruel pastime. But when one considers that the ultimate end of a pigeon is to have his neck wrung and to be sold in the market, it would appear far less cruel that he should end his days like a flash of lightning, and dying, enjoy the reputation of having done good service for a manly sport. Before it comes to their turn to take their places in the traps, these pigeons have a pleasant time of it. They are specially bred for the purpose and very well cared for in order that they may be strong on the wing.

Like most manly sports, pigeon shooting owes its being to England in the early part of this century. Some persons will go much farther back and trace its origin to hawking, which was a thoroughly cruel sport. Hawking declined in England after the days of the Stuarts, but never actually died out, and may at the present time be actually revived. Frederick, Prince of Wales, tried to make it the fashion, and had a falconry at Durdans, near Epsom, at present the seat of England's new Premier, the Earl of Rosebery. Some noblemen did the same thing during the early part of this century, but met with only fair success. One thing that militates against falconry in England is that the higher branches of the sport, kite hawking and heron hawking, have become impracticable there owing to the extinction of the kite and the impossibility of securing in so thickly populated a country the requisite conditions for the flight of the heron.

It was somewhere in the early twenties that a member of the bucks of London commenced to meet four times a week at Battersea, on the banks of the Thames, for the purpose of pigeon shooting. The first great record we read of was made by a Captain Ross, who, in 1828, killed from five traps at thirty yards, seventy-six birds out of eighty. Of the other birds, three settled on the fence, and one was hard hit, although the shooter's first barrel missed fire. In 1841 he killed, in a match at thirty-five yards rise, fifty-two birds out of fifty-three. In 1850 this club, which was called the Red House Club, was closed, and trap shooting went out of fashion for some years. Its revival at Hurlingham brought it once more to the fore, and to-day, during the London season, you may see some three or four thousand of the elite of society on the grounds where polo divides the attention with pigeon shooting.

But there is no place in the world where pigeon shooting is done with as much style as at Monte Carlo. The annual international meetings there bring together the crack shots from all countries, who learn that excellence in this class of marksmanship is not the monopoly of any race. One year it is the French who take the lead, another the English or Americans, another the Italians. During the international week a prize of considerable value is shot for each day, but the principal one is the Grand Prix du Casino.

In the first year of the competition, 1872, this was won by Mr. George Lorillard, of New York. For the next six years Englishmen took it, and then, in 1880, Count Esterhazy won it for Austria. Italians have won it six times, Count Cuidicini carrying it off three times. This year it was won by Count Lichy, an Austrian.

Our sportsmen, although generally better in the field than the sportsmen of other countries, are, perhaps, not as good as foreigners at the trap. This is no doubt due to the fact that they are not accustomed to shooting in preserves.

The illustrations accompanying this article were taken at a recent return match, shot off at the Westminster Kennel Club grounds in Long Island, between the crack shots of New York and Philadelphia. In both matches the New York team proved victorious.

http://pic20.picturetrail.com:80/VOL1373/6511424/21690841/359853858.jpg

New York was represented by Messrs. Fred Hoey, George Work, Edgar G. Murphy, and Capt. A. G. Money.
Philadelphia, which was the favorite, had on her team Messrs. Charles Macalester, "D. S. Thomas," H. Yale Dolan, and K. A. Welsh.

The match proved to be one of the best team matches ever contested in this country. Until the forty-seventh round the result was in doubt, and then the New York team only won by three birds. The Philadelphians, it is only fair to state, were not up to their usual form. At first the New Yorkers, with the exception of Captain Money, an Englishman now residing in this country, appeared to be in excellent condition, but they too did not do their best work, save in the case of Mr. Hoey, who killed forty-seven birds out of fifty, and got a good deal of applause for the workmanlike fashion in which he grassed the last twenty-eight. Mr. Macalester did the best work for Philadelphia, killing forty-six birds out of fifty.

At the twenty-third round the two teams were tied. The betting, which had been pretty dull up to this, now received a fresh impetus. But Murphy lost form after having killed twenty birds. Captain Money did the same, and Philadelphia came to the fore.

At the conclusion of the thirty-third round the Philadelphians led by three. At the thirty-sixth round they were in the lead by six. Then they did some poor shooting, and at the close of the forty-second round the score was a tie. Mr. Welsh now had some terribly poor luck, and this enabled New York to win in spite of Captain Money's bad shooting.

Capt. A.C. Money, New York

Randy Davis
06-07-2013, 09:43 AM
Drew... here are a couple live bird trophies in the collection.
The two loving cups are from a 1903 Capt. Money monthly shoot at the Carteret Gun Club on Long Island.


Regards,
RD

Drew Hause
06-07-2013, 09:54 AM
Thank you Randy. Capt. Money was responsible for handicapping shooters at Carteret, which led to a row with George McAlpin
http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?_r=1&res=9903EFD6133DEE32A25757C0A9679C946097D6CF

Randy Davis
06-07-2013, 10:02 AM
Thanks for the link... I`ll take a look. These cups were for Even Distance. Won by T.J. McCahill Jr.

Dave Noreen
06-07-2013, 01:09 PM
It is not likely any of the Moneys.

Sporting Life for May 18, 1912, published the following note “According to a letter which Ed Banks recently received from Captain Money, who is living in England, the veteran is thoroughly enjoying life. Harold Money is in charge of a rubber plantation in Ceylon, while Noel Money is living in Herefordshire, in England, and shooting considerably.”

In 1913, Noel E. Money and his family left England and moved to Vancouver Island, British Columbia, Canada, where he built the Qualicum Beach Hotel and Golf Course. In 1915, Noel was called to serve again, and ended up in North Africa with General Allenby. In Libya, Noel was a Major, by Egypt a Colonel, and he was a Brigadier by the time they advanced into Palestine.

Harold Bloomfield Money (De Shootinest Gent'man) was either still in Ceylon at the rubber plantation or had returned to England for military training for WW-I.